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As many of you are aware, LRS has turned it's attention to the Mustang Convertible Crowd that so often gets overlooked. We purchased a 1988 Mustang GT Convertible that we have nick-named project "Intro-vert".  This Mustang was a good representation of what the average neglected fox body Mustang convertible looked like with a worn out top and interior but still very fixable.It was a perfect project for us to do the "How To" articles so that you the consumer can fix your own car and continue to keep your hard earned money where it belongs.

In this blog, we are working on a problem child of 99.9% of fox bod Mustang convertibles out there on the road. These Mustang Convertible Quarter windows are notorious for not working properly.  How many fox verts' have you seen running down the road with the side windows & the top down, but one or both of the quarter windows are still stuck in the up position?  It may not just be the motor. We'll take care of that problem so you can ride with the top down and not have the quarter "flags" flying!

 The interior trim panels were already taken out due to us installing a replacement top frame that intro-vert desperately needed.  We used this Convertible Mustang Guide Book that has all the convertible information to help with all the ins & outs of the Fox Convertibles.

The first common problem is by far the easiest to fix. If the window doesn't move when you hit the switch, then obviously you have a window motor issue. Here's how you can help diagnose your problem.  If when the switch is activated, and you don't hear the motor running, then you either have a faulty motor or switch that isn't activating the motor. First step is to try both front and rear switches to see if you can get some kind of reaction. If not grab a trusty volt meter or test light to verify that you have power to the motor plug. Test both switches to verify both are functioning properly since you are already there.  If the switches are working, and you are getting power to the motor, you need a new motor. This is easy to fix! Once you have ordered your Driver's Quarter Window Motor, or Passenger's Quarter Window Motor, Simply unplug the motor plug and unbolt the three 11mm bolts that hold the window motor to the inner structure.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once the bolts are out, pull straight out and the motor gear will dis-engage from the regulator. 1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once the motor assembly is in your hands, there are three 8mm screws that attach the mounting bracket to the window motor itself.  Take these loose to remove the bracket from the old motor housing. * * * NOTE: you must re-use the original hardware for the motor and bracket!* * * 1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

With the new motor housing in front of you, locate the three screw holes that you will mount the bracket.  If you will notice, the new motor does not have threads cut for these screws.  This is normal and all new motors come like this.  It is designed this way so the original screws can cut their own threads into the housing. Once the bracket is re-installed, apply a small amount of grease to the gear and re-install motor. It's that simple! 1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Now comes scenario # 2 !!!!!

If you do hear the motor running when you hit the switch then that means the motor functions and also means that you don't have to replace it. The Fox Mustang Power Window Motors are notorious for the nylon gears and gear bushings wearing out or getting broken. Since the convertible quarter window motor has a metal gear and does not strip out, that leaves only the bushings to go out.  These are just a little more involved to replace than the motor but quite a bit cheaper.  You need a LRS-WLK52 Window Motor Gear Bushings to get the job done. With the window motor removed, there is a phillips head screw that attaches the dust cover to the motor housing.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once the screw is removed simply pry up on the cover and slide it over the gear. With the cover off, you can now pull up on the gear assembly and it will slide off the center shaft.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

With the gear out of the way, you need to remove the remaining pieces of the original bushings.1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once those are cleaned out you can install the new bushings. It can be difficult to get them lined up properly by just dropping them in like the picture shows.  I found that it is easier to apply some grease to them, install them on the gear assembly with the grease holding the bushings in place and re-install the gear assembly on the center shaft. Make sure the bushings tapered edge is pointing down "away from the gear end".

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once the gear assembly is seated all the way, re-install the dust cover and make sure the opening flange is on the bottom so it holds proper tension on the gear. Reinstall the mounting bracket, followed by the motor assembly and your done.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

 

Now, here is another common problem on the fox convertible quarter windows.  The window moves in excess while in the upright position.  To put it simply, it's a "floppy window"  From the factory, Ford made the quarter window guide rod mounts and window guide bushings out of plastic which made them very susceptible to breaking. 99% of the Fox convertibles out there have these mounts broken and there has not been a fix for this, until now!  LRS recognized this problem and came up with a solution. We made these replacement mounts "part # LRS-29530A" out of durable billet aluminum instead of the plastic that can become brittle over time and with heat.  You won't have to worry about them breaking now and as with most work on your Mustang, you only want to do this job once!

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

 

  We tore apart the entire window mechanism so we could research all aspects of the windows, get a better understanding of the function, and see if there were any other items that needed to be addressed as well.  We stumbled across another useful bit of information while doing this. The window guide bushings for the convertible quarter glass are the same ones that are used for the 79-93 coupe/hatch back front doors. The quarter window uses two of the LRS-22362A window guide bushings to keep the assembly in place as it moves along the guide rod. While we had it out, we replaced them with new bushings.  It was much easier with the assembly removed from the car but it can also be accomplished while it is still installed....it won't be fun though!!!

 

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Here is how to replace the window guide mounting plates. 

NOTE: Make sure the window is in the upright position before you start!

First step is to remove the anchor brackets for the for the front seat belts.  They are held in place with 2 seat belt bolts.  You will need a T-50 Torx bit to take them loose. These are difficult to get to and will require some patience to remove but it is necessary to have full access to the window guide rod. This picture is taken on the floor level right beside the door opening. 

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

 

Once you have removed the brackets, you then take the cotter pin out of the original clevis pin which retains the guide rod to the mounting bracket. With the cotter pin removed, you can slide out the clevis pin of the bracket to free the guide rod. Work the guide rod up and out of the bracket and once the guide rod is out of the bracket, remove the two 11mm mounting nuts from the bracket assembly. With the bracket mounting assembly removed, now you can start replacing the bracket.  The OEM plastic bracket is mounted to the metal base using rivets.  Using a drill or die grinder, remove the rivets so the bracket comes loose from the base plate. Now you can install the new mounting bracket to the base plate with the supplied screws. * * * NOTE: Due to differences in manufacturing tolerances, you may have to enlarge the original holes in the base plate for them to line up with the new bracket.* * *  Once the holes were lined up we screwed down the new bracket to the original base plate. Here is a picture with the new billet bracket attached to the base plate.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once the new bracket assembly is constructed, re-install into the car but do not put the retaining nuts back on at this time.  This will allow you to have extra movement when re-inserting the guide rod.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

 

It helps to have an extra set of hands when putting things back together so they can hold the window assembly up while you work the guide rod into place. Once the guide rod is in place, insert the new clevis pin through the bracket and guide rod so it is secured like factory. This can also be tedious work so patience is needed here too. Once the clevis pin is installed, insert the new cotter pin through the hole so the clevis pin won't work its way out.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

Once all the new assembly is secure, make sure the mount assembly is positioned correctly over the retaining studs, and tighten down the retaining nuts.

1988 Mustang GT Convertible - Project IntroVert

 Now that the bracket is re-installed, all that is left is to re-install the window motors and make sure there your window adjustments are still correct.  If you had a broken guide rod bracket "or a combination of everything in this blog like we did"  there is a chance the window could be set to the "broken" adjustments instead of the "fixed" adjustments.  You just have to look at them and make changes where need be. New Mustang Convertible weatherstrip could help too, but that is another blog.

 

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just repaired the three major malfunctions of the Fox Body Convertible quarter windows. With a little time and patience you can really save yourself some cash by tackling projects like this yourself. If you run into any problems or have any additional questions please feel free to give us a call and we will do our best to get you the parts or information you need to get the job done right.     

 

 

Published Sep 09 2010, 06:35 PM by SCOTTY2THAG
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Comments

 

Carl Muenscher said:

This is great I have been fighting my windows for along time know

September 10, 2010 4:49 PM
 

LASToftheBEST93 said:

ok that was a great piece for my next project! but what you forgot and for some reason nobody on this planet thinks about is "my problem" problem #3 what do you do when the plastic gear itself is cracked and everything else is fine,and youve called everyone and looked everywhere for this plastic gear to no avail??? everybody has the plastic gear but its not compatible with converts rear 1/4 window due to the metal 9 tooth being longer?? i tried to use the existing metal 9 tooth gear with it but it does not mate with the plastic aftermarket gear due to the base of existing one having a circular base mold that the gear slides over and the aftermarket one having a triangular base mold. please help because i cant stomach paying $80 for a new motor when all i need is a $10 piece of plastic??????

September 16, 2010 5:41 PM
 

billt203 said:

I am working on getting the window guide plate out.  I assume it has to be disassembled and removed one piece at a time.  It has to be taken off the window (looks like two bolts) itself.  Right?

September 20, 2010 2:18 PM
 

Chris said:

My quarter windows just stopped working on my 89 GT Convertible.  Just ordered the bushings so hopefully that will make it all good again.  I hate not being able to roll my windows down and put my top down.

September 25, 2010 9:54 PM
 

Brian M. said:

Keep those projects coming. We just purchased that exact same car about a month ago and that is the first thing we are doing to it. Everything seems to be going smoothly so far. Will let you know how things work after we get the windows put back in. Thanks guys!

September 26, 2010 4:45 PM
 

Neal K. said:

i was wondering where i could find step by step instructions on how to remove the rear quarter windows, as well as the front windows for my 89 vert... im about to order all the window guide bushings, and some other odds and ends to "tune up" my windows before they get any worse. any help would be appreciated!

September 27, 2010 1:05 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Billit203: I'm not sure I'm following what you are talking about. Are you talking about the plate that is attached to the window and the metal guide rod runs through the square?  If so, you so not have to take it apart.  With the window up.....If you take the guide rod loose from the mount, you can slide the guide rod out through the bottom.

Neal K: I'm not aware of a step by step how to guide for both front and rear windows.  The Convertible top guide book has some very useful pictures and information that can help you out with functions and adjustment procedures etc.  heres a link to it on the website.

www.latemodelrestoration.com/.../1983-93-Mustang-Convertible-Top-Guide-Book

October 1, 2010 8:44 AM
 

Anthony Dalrymple said:

Great stuff! Keep it coming! Us fox-vert guys & gals do appreciate the effort!

October 5, 2010 1:02 PM
 

Thomas Drogan said:

So I started taking apart my driver side  quarter window and  my motor works so it looks like the new bushings. it also looks like I have a floppy window. So here is my question. how do you take the large bracket the motor was attached to off?

October 5, 2010 8:34 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

The motor is held on by 3 "10mm I believe"  bolts that attach it to the inner panel.  If you are referring to the inner metal panel, then that is held in with a combination of bolts and rivets.  It was never intended to be removed easily. While it would make things a whole lot more accessible, it is not necessary to rmove that large panel to complete the job.

October 6, 2010 8:12 AM
 

shane said:

scott,

if i get a new motor, it will have all new bushings and gears wont it?

so instead of replacing just them, wont i be better off with a new motor and save some work?

October 7, 2010 10:52 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

You are correct, the motors will have new bushings and gears. The easiest thing to do would be to buy a new motor as it's a simple plug in installation, but especially with the present economy, there are more and more budget minded people out there and we are just trying to show a few ways that money can be saved if you don't mind doing a little work on your own.

October 8, 2010 8:38 AM
 

tony said:

how do you get the plastic quarter panel off to do this work?

October 10, 2010 7:55 AM
 

tony said:

how do I take the rear plastic quarter panel interior piece off to have access to these things? that is, without breaking anything!! where are the screws?

October 10, 2010 7:57 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Tony: The interior panels were removed before I replaced all the parts.  I went and looked at the panels and it shows that there is 4 screws holding them in place.  2 on the leading edge up by the door opening "1 in the carpet section and 1 in the upper vinyl"  1 on the rear edge behind the rear seat upright, and 1 on the top rear edge by the conv. top itself.  Keep in mind you will have to remove the seat first as well to get full access to everything.

October 11, 2010 9:53 AM
 

Thomas Drogan said:

Totaly right about not having to take the large bracket off to get to the bottom bracket once you take the seatbelt retractor out its really easy to get to.  It does help to have most of the bolts lose on it  to give you some wiggle room.  I ordered the mounting bracket but apon closer inpection found there was nothing wrong with the old one. The problem I was having was one of the window guides( which I didn't order :(  ) was cracked and also  if you look at the picture in this blog above (NOTE: Make sure the window is in the upright position before you start!) there  is  I think  two rubber parts that go in between the mounting plates conected to the  window the picture above  only has one.

So I got the drivers side back together and working  which I thank you guys a lot for  posting this stuff. But when I went to take the interior panel of the  passenger side I some how ripped the wires out of the window switch. does LRS have a replacement switch or know how I can rewire it back to the old switch?

October 20, 2010 8:27 PM
 

Desj said:

pick n pull for a new motor... go to their yard and destroy theirs so u can figure it out before attempting it on your haha... i've gotten alot of quality parts and knowledge from their yard for 1/2 the price...

October 21, 2010 3:35 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Thomas: Sorry we do not have the switch pigtail available. Still haven't been able to find reliable suppliers for some of the convertible parts.  Your best bet would be to pull one off an existing car in a salvage yard.

October 21, 2010 4:18 PM
 

Troy said:

Do you have any info on replacing window motors for the 94 mustang?

October 27, 2010 1:43 PM
 

David Amato said:

I have an 89 GT convertible. Where can I purchase the guide that the window rides on and the bracket that it sits in?  Aslo, while I have the panels off I would like to replace them as well.  I can not seem to locate any of these items.  

October 30, 2010 11:07 PM
 

mwgriffeth said:

How do you get the vertical weatherstrip and the outerr felt/belt weathersrtip off of a 93 vert? The vertical strip looks like it should just slide up off the 1/4 window but mine is WAY stuck. The outer belt/felt strip I got from you guys also, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get it off either!!! HELP HELP NOW PLEASE! I just got done replacing the little insert things in my motors so the windows will work so I got it apart!

November 2, 2010 9:14 PM
 

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November 5, 2010 8:48 PM
 

Jamie said:

That was a great help thank you!!! managed to put the 1/4'rs on in minutes!!

November 8, 2010 2:23 AM
 

BSmith said:

I just recently ordered the guide rod mounts and guide bushings for my 86 GT. To gain access, I had to remove the plate assembly that holds the quarter window regulator. did you not have to do this on the 88?

Also I have everything reinstalled on my pass. side quarter window, however now have an enormous gap at the top of the window (between pass side window and pass side qtr window). Both my guide mount and guide bushings had almost no wear.

Does the glass mount plate/bracket that rides up and down the ride only go in one direction? I am wondering if I installed that upside down with the drastic shift of the glass. When I looked it over it looked to the same both directions.

November 28, 2010 7:44 PM
 

Frank said:

Awesome!!! I just replaced the bushimg on the left and right quarter window motors!  They work like a charm!  I found it much easier to install the bushings by placing them on the gear shaft with a lot of grease and them carefully placing it on the motor!  Thanks for adding that hint!!

November 30, 2010 6:18 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

@BSmith: We didn't have to remove the large plate to do the repairs, we were able to access everything with them installed.

As far as I know, the plate only goes on one direction.  As I'm sure you have already encountered, the convertible mustang has numerous adjustment points for everything associated with the convertible top and the windows.  We are still constantly tweaking on our convertible to get a better seal on the windows and top.  See if you can "cautiously" move the window forward and pull up on it to meet the window.  We ran across that on our car and it was because the quarter window didn't go all the way to the top of the track.

December 1, 2010 8:30 AM

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My dad always worked on Airplanes and cars while I grew up and I was right there perched under the hood throughout my childhood so naturally being a car nut is engrained into who I am. I have a tendency to take on projects normal people would not attempt like swapping motors into cars they werent intended to go in or fabricating parts I need instead of buying them. It is a sickness and luckily for me there is no cure.