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Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 2

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Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 1

Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 2

Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 2.1

Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 3

Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 4

Ford Racing 4.6L 3-Valve Fox Body Swap - Part 5 - Pics & Test Drive Video

Part 2 of the 3v 4.6 Fox project is concentrating on getting the motor in the car.  As a group here at 50resto, this is our 4th effort at a 4.6 swap into a fox body, so we knew what we were getting into, for the most part.  The difference here is the 3-valve.  The exhaust bolt pattern is unique on the 3 valve, so header choices are nill.  To my knowledge, no one makes headers for this application.  Companies like KOOKS headers will pretty much build you whatever you want, but that can get expensive, and we're working on a budget.

First try....

My first attempt at an installation was with the Ford Racing 2005-2009 Mustang GT shorty headers that came on the motor.

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

I attempted the first installation with a stock k-member out of a 2004 Mustang GT, because the used tubular k-member I purchased from a buddy hadn't shown up yet.  I used our urethane 4.6 motor mounts, installed the k-member in place of my 79's stock straight-six k-member and crossed my fingers.  The engine fell right into place.  It was as if it were made to be there.  Score!....Or so I thought.  Further inspection revealed that the header's collectors pointed directly at the firewall.  This was a real bummer, because everything fit so well otherwise.

1979 Ford Fairmont

1979 Ford Fairmont

 Back to the drawing board.

Second try.....

Since I knew I had to change headers, I started scouring the forums.  My search yielded a company called Logan Motorsports.  Although they haven't done any fox-body 3v swaps, they had done some SN95 swaps by manufacturing adaptors to bolt 2v headers to a 3v.  The port spacing is exact.  The only difference between the 2v and 3v headers is the bolt pattern.  This looked like a good option.  I knew from prior experience, aside from a little firewall interference, that SN95 headers would fit a fox.

I gave it a shot.  I ordered the adaptors, and purchased a set of MAC Industrial plated longtubes for a 96-04 Mustang.  I bolted them to the motor, along with the spacers.  They fit the engine perfectly and looked awesome.

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

By now, the Quick Time bellhousing was in and ready to be installed, along with the RAM stock replacement 11" clutch.

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

The k-member I bought second-hand had also shown up, so, I crossed my fingers that this would be my final installation.

I removed the previously installed stock 4.6 k-member and lowered the motor in place with the headers and bellhousing on.  My plan was to get the motor in position, then bolt the k-member underneath it.  I didn't want to damage the engine compartment by wrestling the longtubes in place with the k-member in the way.  After a lot of blastpheming, it went in...sort of.  The headers were hitting the k-member on both sides, and preventing the motor from sitting down in the mounts completely.  I also had clearance problems between the framerails, causing the right header to sit against the frame rail, and the left header to sit against the brake lines.

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

This wouldn't work.  The adaptors, combined with the design of the used k-member of unknown brand caused major trouble.  Back to the drawing board, again.

3rd try....

I had a couple of different options at this point.  My first was to pull the long tubes, and install a set of 2v shorties.  Ford Racing's 2v shorties allow tons of engine bay clearance.  My second option was to try another k-member, hoping that clearance would be better than the one I had.  The third option would be to try and have a header built.  Option 4 would be to try a different brand of 2v longtubes and see if any offer more clearance. 

Option 1 didn't sound too good to me, as this will be a race car for all intents and purposes, and I didn't want to suffer the power loss (although minor) of switching to shorties.

Option 3 meant mega dollars and weeks of delay, so that was out.

Option 4 meant a lot more trial and error, as well as additional cost from buying multiple sets of headers, hoping that one would fit.

Option 2 was the choice.  I would try another k-member and see if clearance would be better.  Since the stock 2004 k-member was just laying there, I thought I'd try it first.  If it worked, I could see what other clearance issues I had, and make an assessment on keeping the MAC headers.

So that's what I did.  I removed the offending k-member, and re-installed the stock one that fit so well with the 3v shorties.  Guess what?  The motor fell right in to place.  I still had some clearance issues on the passenger side frame rail, and at the bottom of the firewall where it meets the floor pan, but those were issues I had experienced on prior 4v 4.6 installs, and I was able to work with that with the motor in the car. 

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

Ford Racing 4.6L 3V Fox Body Swap

All in all, the motor fits the engine compartment very well, and it looks awesome.  If this were strictly a street car, I would have opted for the 2v Ford Racing shorties and suffered the small power loss in order to gain more engine compartment clearance.  I am certain that I'm going to have some extra NVH from the longtubes touching the framrail.  Otherwise, things look good, and I can move forward on wiring, fuel system, and transmission.

1979 Ford Fairmont

For now, I'm going to leave the stock k-member in the car.  Part of this project was to show you how inexpensively this can be done, and the stock k-member is certainly inexpensive.  You can pick one up for almost nothing.  I will also be able to tell you first-hand how much a tubular k-member and coil-overs can benefit, as I will perform that swap after the car has been sorted out and to the track a few times.

Stay tuned!

Published Jan 19 2009, 03:07 PM by scott s
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Comments

 

nate said:

Very informative, can't wait to see how this one turns out!

January 19, 2009 1:04 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Isn't it funny how at home foreign motors look in the Foxbody engine compartment

January 19, 2009 3:50 PM
 

Mario said:

Very badass! I can't wait for the transmission and fuel segments. Keep up the good work.

January 19, 2009 4:26 PM
 

joliver said:

ooooooo pretty =)

January 20, 2009 7:49 AM
 

Charles Falgout said:

Looks like you having fun with the headers. A tubed kmember is always the answer.

The stock Kmember is to big for mod engine. I had to put one in my 85 foxbody mustang because my shortys on my 4v mod engine was hitting it. It helped alot on the kmember more room to play. And let my mod set lower and level. Looks like you putting a stick shift in it and that would be batter than a automatic. You will make people look. Lets see how it does at the strip.

January 22, 2009 7:20 PM
 

scott s said:

Once everything is sorted out, the drag strip will be my first stop!

January 23, 2009 7:00 AM
 

Eric said:

Would this same swap work in an 89 fox?  Im wondering what else you did as far as transmission and driveshaft and rearend to make everything work as in what else did you swap out?

And what about electricals and such like headlights and turn signals and things like ac and what not how did you get that to work?  I guess I'd like to see more detail as im very interested in this swap in to a fox this might be my new project! Cheers: Eric

Eric298@rocketmail.com

January 23, 2009 1:31 PM
 

scott s said:

eric, stay tuned.  the next parts of the blog will be on trans and driveline, wiring and fuel system.  everything i'm doing to this car will work on your 89.  all of the 79-93 fox platforms are virtually the same.  there are only very slight changes over the years depending on equipment, engines, and fuel delivery.

January 24, 2009 8:11 AM
 

Bennie from Dallas said:

I was thinking about something like this or a 5.4L with my '99 GT and I kinda figured the exhaust manifolds/headers would be issue. Good Luck and keep up the good work!

January 24, 2009 8:23 AM
 

scott s said:

thanks.  i am working on a solution to make the headers fit better.  as with any swap, there are hurdles, and this is one of them.  i'm looking at k-members and engine positioning, as well as clearancing the headers and floor pan to correct the problems with the passenger header.  again, longtubes are the trouble, here.  shorties would clear up these issues.  stay tuned.  i'll keep you up to date on what i've done.

January 24, 2009 10:00 AM
 

Matt said:

You should check out the Maximum Motorsports k-member, which is designed to put a 4.6L in a fox body. Do you have clearance for the steering shaft?

January 26, 2009 9:16 PM
 

David said:

Looks like you are dealing with the same issues as PSI motorsports did. They did a full swap on a 93 coupe but used Kooks sn95 headers with the flanges removed and 3v flanges welding in place. Fits excellent and doesnt hit anything. The customer posted some pics of it on Modular Fords.

January 26, 2009 10:55 PM
 

Eric said:

Cool Im going to frequently check back to see the progress on this car. New school meets old school, love it.

January 31, 2009 3:43 AM
 

Charles Falgout said:

What is the best way to put power brakes on them if you can't put a booster back in.

January 31, 2009 5:31 PM
 

scott s said:

you would have to convert to hydroboost from a 96-04 Mustang in order to retain power steering and brakes.  I didn't want the extra weight or engine compartment clutter

February 2, 2009 1:23 PM
 

Brent L said:

So does a regular 4.6L SOHC (non 3V) fit ok?  

February 3, 2009 9:07 AM
 

SCOTT S said:

The 2-valve will fit about the same way, with the exception of a little more clearance on the sides since you don't have to run the header adaptors.

February 3, 2009 10:07 AM
 

Randy T said:

Can't wait to see the finished product.

February 3, 2009 11:44 PM
 

Chuck Ray said:

I wonder if you get that header manufacturer to make a set with flanges that had both bolt patterns? That would give you more space, by eliminating the adaptor, and would fit either engine.

February 6, 2009 8:05 PM
 

James said:

February 6, 2009 8:12 PM
 

James said:

Sorry about that.

I happen to have such a set of flanges.  3/8ths mild steel and laser cut.  Have pix of flanges on 2V head and will have pix on the 3V head next week

February 6, 2009 8:13 PM
 

Rob P said:

Man! I'm really wanting to do this! Looks sweet!

On a side note, what color is the engine bay? My '89 coupe would look good this color!

February 23, 2009 9:45 AM
 

Dou S said:

Can't wait to see the finished project!! How about an update....

February 27, 2009 4:34 PM
 

scott s said:

part 3 is being compiled as we speak.  look for an update in the next day or so

March 2, 2009 9:34 AM
 

kyle m said:

so any updates on the project?

April 3, 2009 8:48 PM
 

Dave said:

Loving this write up scott.  dieing to see part 3.  and REALLY dieing to see what kind of number this car puts down.  A lot of people disregard the 3v but I think a project like this might help change a few of there minds.  Good luck and HURRY UP ALREADY!!!  only kidding

D

April 16, 2009 2:52 PM
 

jack said:

i was wondering when you would have some updates on this build as i have been waiting for some time now. thanks

April 25, 2009 6:45 AM
 

nate said:

@jack - I'm not sure if you've seen part 4 yet but that is the latest one we have. I added links to all of the 3 valve blogs so far to make them easier to find.

April 27, 2009 9:40 AM
 

shawn said:

Im going to be doing a 2004-2005 cobra swap into my 89 coupe. im aware of most clearance issues BUT what is the possibility of using a stock hood. i love the sleeper look and trying to avoid a cowl hood. if i cant use the stock hood then a 2 inch cowl would be as much as i want. hmmmmmm

May 25, 2009 1:30 PM
 

shawn said:

nevrmind. yout article says furthe on that you want to use the stock hood also. thanks for a good tech article.

May 25, 2009 6:21 PM