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LS1 into a Mustang part 4 "It's Alive"

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LS1 into a Mustang Part 4

 Well, I know those who have been following the build have been wondering what kind of progress has been made.  I've been hard at work finishing the little things that plague a project like this.  Wiring gremlins, fuel system gremlins, as well as the weather not being as cooperative as it could have all slowed the build process.

Since the last installment I have done quite a bit of work.  The steering rack has been moved and permanently attached.  I had to lower it about an inch so it wouldn't hit the oil pan. The brakes are hooked up and bled, the headers are in place and I had to lengthen my steering shaft for proper clearance. Now that those items were taken care of all I had left to do is start putting parts on it. For ignition I used the MSD Pro-Billet distributor - part# MSD-8579 which is a simple plug in installation to the MSD Digital 6 ignition box - part# MSD-6520.  I chose this box because it features a 2-step rev limiter, timing advance feature for nitrous or other power adder, as well as timing retard during start up.  All those features were exactly what I was wanting for my application.

LS1 Mustang

 Next I was able put my water pump on.  In order to clear the bulge for the distributor I had my Dad build some custom spacers out of aluminum, "It sure is nice to have someone with his fabrication experience on my side".  The Lower radiator hose is a KM1119 which is the factory replacement for a 5.0 Fox application.  The upper was a little more tricky. The water pump inlet is relatively in the same position as the 5.0 but at a slightly different angle. Since I knew the basic shape I was needing, the Local Parts supply store was kind enough to let me look through their entire inventory until I found what I needed.  I know that it is a Dodge application but don't know the exact model it's for, all I know is it fit like a glove.

LS1 MustangP>

To finish out the cooling system I went with a great radiator/fan Combo from Mishimoto. The Radiator is a MIS-RADMUS79 for manual transmissions and is a 2 row polished aluminum unit that works as great as it looks. To compliment the Radiator I used their dual fan and shroud kit they just released at SEMA. The MIS-MMFS79 shroud kit simply bolts to the radiator using the provided hardware and comes with two 12" electric fans already attached to the shroud.  This also has the polished finish so it matches their radiator. 

LS1 Mustang

LS1 Mustang

LS1 Mustang

 

After I got the cooling system out of the way, it was time to put the finishing touches on so I could finally start it for the first time.  I made the fuel lines out of braided steel line and A-N fittings and ordered a Demon 750 to satisfy the motors fuel cravings.  I also decided that I was going to use Nitrous as my power adder so I ordered a ZEX perimeter fogger plate. As for the rest of the kit, I will be calling Nitrous Outlet for them to custom make the rest of my system.

LS1 Mustang

LS1 Mustang

 

Now the Moment we've all been waiting for "especially me" it's time to start it.  AS I stated in previous post the Front mount distributor setup utilizes a Ford distributor application and the only difference between a 5.0 H.O. firing order and an LS based motor is that you swap #8 and #3. I used a set of red Ford Racing plug wires and they fit just like they were meant to be there "granted I still have to loom them so they look better".  The first attempt wasn't successful due to me installing the distributor 180 Degrees out and resulted in a huge back fire. After I got the distributor in the correct position it was a success.  It busted of and idled flawlessly.

Here is the long awaited video of it running after I brought it home from the Exhaust shop.  Hope you enjoy....I know I do.  The next time you see it..... it will be in action and we'll see how much tire smoke we can make as well as some videos of it at the drag strip.    

Stay Tuned

 

Comments

 

btaylor said:

Sounds great!!!

January 13, 2009 4:25 PM
 

Lee said:

It sounds so much better in person! I can't wait to see it run Scotty!

January 13, 2009 9:32 PM
 

jmac said:

Yep it sounds good now, but hearing it open headers was wood inspiring.

January 14, 2009 8:27 AM
 

SCOTT said:

WHAT TRANS ARE YOU USING

January 16, 2009 8:33 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

I'm using a Tremec TKO with a bellhousing I modified to let a Mustang style tranny work with the LSX motors.

January 16, 2009 9:02 AM
 

Dennis said:

Nice set up.What are you going to do for an alternator?

Thanks

Dennis

January 17, 2009 8:32 PM
 

mean93 said:

i'm confused what exactly did you do again?

January 17, 2009 11:28 PM
 

carlos benitez said:

nice build im doing a ls1 with its factory 6 speed do u have any idea on the easiest way to make the clutch work without using a hydrolic set up

January 18, 2009 10:53 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Dennis: I have a BMR LS1 Alternator bracket that I'm having to modify a little since the 5.3 doesn't have one of the same mounting holes as the Aluminum 5.7 does.  It will be a low mount unit right beside the harmonic balancer on the Drivers side.

Mean 93:  I'm putting a LS Based motor in a fox chassis and utilizing as many Fox specific parts as I can, for example I'm still using the Clutch cable setup and a Tremec instead of the Hydraulic setup and a six speed, Ford Distributor, ford racing plug wires. etc...

Carlos:  Since the LS1 six speeds use the hydraulic clutch cylinders you'll probably have to use that style of setup.  The most common I've seen is on the T-bird Turbo Coupes.  I haven't seen anyone modify the 6 spd to use any different clutch setup.

January 19, 2009 8:18 AM
 

scott s said:

i think it's ironic that your car is chevy orange and mine is ford blue......  just an observation.  i hope you've got some wood screws....

January 19, 2009 1:19 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

There will be now "blowing my Doors off" Mine makes a little more power but yours is a little lighter.  should be pretty even.....Only time will tell though.

January 19, 2009 2:29 PM
 

CountryfriedRocker said:

still can't believe you put an LS1 in a Mustang... hopefully you can redeem yourself later to us ford guys scotty...awesome job btw  

January 23, 2009 10:28 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

I'm sure I'll have other projects come along that will peak the Ford loyalists interest. I'm always up for a challenge.  If anybody has any Ideas lets hear them. My next toy is a Calypso green LX Hatch that I'm planning on making a driver/corner carver out of.

January 23, 2009 11:01 AM
 

Ron said:

I would not put a chevy motor in nothing

January 25, 2009 8:07 PM
 

David said:

Chevy power ! Should go faster now, LOL.. Nice build.

January 27, 2009 8:35 AM
 

79ls1fox said:

Scottty I want to do this with my 79 notch and I'm wondering can I use a 79-93 throw out bearing fork instead of the one you used?

January 28, 2009 4:06 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

I origionally tried the fox clutch fork but it didn't stick out of the bellhousing enough to attach the cable to it,  that is why I had to use the 94 up one. Other than the length they would function the same.

January 28, 2009 4:36 PM
 

serpentnoir said:

Nice job!  I'm planning something similar except I'm using a 1999 mustang and I plan on using all the factory ford sensors and ECU.  Should be interesting.

February 7, 2009 9:26 PM
 

Andy said:

Disgracefull!!! you should be Drug Into the Street And Shot while watching that ls1 be melted down for scrap metal IMHO

February 15, 2009 5:15 PM
 

CountryfriedRocker said:

Excellent work Scotty !!!

February 22, 2009 9:27 PM
 

john said:

Why not put a freaking 426 hemi in it , it would be a whole lot better than that peice of crap and way more powerful? Your sending the wrong picture to a lot of people. FORD ALL THE WAY AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!!!!  Give it a little abuse and watch that junk blow the hell up!!! You should be ashamed of your damn self at least do it to a newer one? At least the car is nice looking!

March 3, 2009 12:52 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

John everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have gotten alot of feedback on this build.  Fortunately the compliments outweigh the complaints. The LS based motors are very reliable platforms and the only way I forsee any problems with this motor is if I spray too big a shot of Nitrous. As far as your coment about the Hemi the 426 is too expensive but the new 6.1 that comes in the SRT8 cars is getting pretty reasonable in price.  Who knows what the future will hold.  Just kidding. I understand that this offends those who bleed FORD Blue. I'm sorry you feel this way. Like I said before and I'll say again this build was all about taking what you have available and making it work. I took the best combo of what I had and am making it all work together to achieve a common goal.  If you notice the car is not butchered in any way and can easily be converted back over to Ford powerplant in a matter of hours if I chose to do so.

March 3, 2009 9:14 AM
 

john said:

Hey im sorry if i come off pissed. But would't a ford motor for that car be a little cheaper and don't you all have ford motors laying around there? Or a 351? At least its not a regular old 305 or 350!!!   LOL       The car still looks nice!!!

March 4, 2009 3:54 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

I can see where you're coming from, I did have another motor but it was allocated for my 68 fastback.  the only other motor I had besides that was a Big Block Chevy and that would require me to alter things that can't be reversed.  I did quite a bit of calculating $$$$ when I started and building an equivalent Ford motor would have been slightly more than the setup I'm running.  "if you had to start from scratch"  also this way I don't have to worry about the block splitting for future mods I have planned.  Please know that I'm not someone that would just throw something together without having the bigger picture in view.  Thanks for the compliments on the looks though.  I do like it to be correct in some form or fashion, thats why it got painted the way it did.  Jalapena Red instead of viper red or equivalent and the grey trim instead of black.

March 4, 2009 8:19 AM
 

COBRA TOM said:

How is the transmission clutch setup working out?

March 5, 2009 9:30 AM
 

cobra tom said:

Hows the transmission/clutch setup working?

March 5, 2009 9:36 AM
 

cobra tom said:

What clutch setup did you use?

March 5, 2009 9:39 AM
 

cobra tom said:

Did you use a ford tremec or chevy tremec?

March 5, 2009 9:43 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Clutch and transmission setup are working great no issues at all and it's functioning just like a normal 5.0 mustang.  The Tranny I'm using is a Ford verision of the Tremec.

March 5, 2009 11:00 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Sorry forgot to ad the clutch/flywheel I'm using is stock replacement items for LS1 F-body

March 5, 2009 11:11 AM
 

cobra tom said:

So the shifter comes threw the stock location?

March 5, 2009 11:32 AM
 

cobra tom said:

The throwout bearing is ford or chevy?

March 5, 2009 11:33 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

The throw out bearing and shift fork are 94-95 5.0 units and the shifter came through the stock hole I had to trim it a little since my car was origionally an automatic.  If your car is a factory manual car then it should fit fine with no trimming.

March 5, 2009 12:50 PM
 

cobra tom said:

Ok so i need

Tremec tko600 {ford part number}

94-04 fork

ford throwout bearing

sbc tremec bellhousing {cut out hole}

ls1/ls2 flywheel

ls1/ls2 clutch/pressure plate

March 5, 2009 3:38 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Yeah but you would also need to relocate the pivot ball to the other side of the bellhousing.  The bellhousing is setup for the traditional chevy push style clutch linkage and the Ford uses a cable operated pull style.  there should be some pictures of this on the segment where I bolted the tranny to the motor.

March 5, 2009 4:47 PM
 

cobra tom said:

SWEET THANK YOU!!

March 6, 2009 9:04 AM
 

Bryan said:

If you plan on using the A9L to run the LS1 you can change the firing order in the binary. the cheapest way to do this would be to use a Moates F3 chip and the Burn1 unit with the F3 adapter and a binary editor. I was using one with my Turbo 95 GT and the binary editor that can be found on the EECTuner forums. Might save you some headaches.

I would love to see you do the A9L conversion since I would like to go the swap to my 95 GT. At that point I would just need the ls1, bell, clutch and flywheel.

Are you using a standard length Fox driveshaft? I assume you are since the shifter lines up properly.

Any Updates?

April 13, 2009 11:09 AM
 

mike said:

what kind of brakes are you using?

April 30, 2009 3:09 PM
 

95mustanglq4 said:

how did you relocate the pivot ball?

May 5, 2009 8:42 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

The brakes are a manual brake conversion from Maximum motorsports and 99-04 GT Front brake swap.  The rears are stock drum brakes.

Moving the pivot ball just requires taking good measurements and a little welding.

Imade a pattern of both bell housing plates where the tranny would bolt to.  Took multiple maesurements of the location of the pivot ball on the ford one in relation to all the other mounting holes and transfered those measurements to the Lakewood unit.  When I got that located I welded 2 nuts stacked on top of each other to the bell housing so the pivot ball would have something to thread into.  I was able to find 2 nuts that were almost the same thickness as the Ford's origional threaded insert. I just had to take.020" off of one with a sanding disc so it would be the same length.  Everything bolted together after that.

May 6, 2009 8:20 AM
 

Bayou_Flyer said:

Thanks for the details on the swapping of the pivot ball location. Did you use a Ford pivot ball or an adjustable piece? Did you tap the Lakewood bellhousing to keep the nut in place when tacking it in place? Appreciate your willingness to share both here and LS1Tech! Thanks again....

June 7, 2009 10:01 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

No problem, I'm just glad that I can help fellow car enthusiests out.  I used a factory Mustang replacement pivot ball.  To hold the nut in place I just inserted the pivot ball from the back through the hole I drilled and threaded the nuts onto the stud threads while I tacked it in place. If there is anything else I can help out with, let me know.

June 8, 2009 8:39 AM

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My dad always worked on Airplanes and cars while I grew up and I was right there perched under the hood throughout my childhood so naturally being a car nut is engrained into who I am. I have a tendency to take on projects normal people would not attempt like swapping motors into cars they werent intended to go in or fabricating parts I need instead of buying them. It is a sickness and luckily for me there is no cure.