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New Dodge Challenger Gear Installation

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One of the main complaints we've heard about the New Challenger "other than its wieght" is the fact that it only came with  3.06 gear ratio out back.  Now don't get me wrong this is great if you going for economy but who buys a New Challenger based on fuel economy? Richmond Gear just introduced aftermarket ring and pinion sets for the 215 mm IRS rearend found in the 2008 SRT8 Challengers & we ordered a set of the 3.55 Gears so we could try them out in our car and see how much of a difference it would make.  Since these were just recently released, there really hasn't been alot of people tearing into the rearends for no reason.  This being said we took them to a trusted local technician that we have had modify our cars numerous times before for the installation. We took pictures of the install and followed his notes to give you a rundown of how things went.

NOTE- Professional Installation Required-

You must have a programer to recalibrate the
speedo at the time of installation of the gears. If
not the car will not shift past 2nd gear and the
computer will go into a default limp mode
.

 


First step is to Raise and secure vehicle on the Lift and Remove rear Wheels and drain Differential fluid.  Here are a couple of pics of the car on the lift before we started tearing it down

Challenger Rear-End Gear InstallChallenger Rear-End Gear Install


Next, loosen the front bolt,and completely remove the rear bolt of the front lower control arm 
to access lower brake caliper bolt. Remove both brake
caliper bolts and lay the caliper aside. Remove rotor.
Remove All control arm, trailing arm, and Sway bar
bolts at the spindle. There arent any adjustments for
wheel alignment on any of the control arms so re-alignment shouldn't be necessary. After you disconnect the spindle from the control arms you can start removing the axle shafts.

*NOTE* BE CAREFUL NOT TO DAMAGE THE AXLE SEALS AS THEY
CAN BE REUSED*

Challenger Rear-End Gear InstallChallenger Rear-End Gear Install
 Remove wheel speed sensor, and 
retaining bolt for e-brake cable from spindle (removal of 
e-brake shoes and cables is not necessary)

Next thing to do is to take the differential out of the rearend subframe.

Start by removing the driveshaft.  The driveshaft uses a T60 and an 18mm to remove the
coupler bolts. Remove all 8 for clearance during the removal of the differential. Since it uses a rubber
coupler instead of a u-joint, it also has a pilot hole on thre front of the pinion shaft that fits in the rear of the
drive shaft.

The bolts holding the differential assembly to the subframe are a little difficult to get to. The rearend cradle was loosened and dropped down 2-3 inches.

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

Doing this gives better access to the differential mounting bolts.  One is accessable and can be removed with ease. The other is hidden and requires some patience as there is very little room for movement becasue of its location. 

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

The above pic shows the breaker bar and socket on the bolt that is hidden. Aftter these are removed you can lower the differential from the car.

 Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

 

Next you want to start tearing down the differential. Carefully remove the Inner Axle Seals from the housing.

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

(REMEMBER THE SEALS CAN BE REUSED IF NOT DAMAGED). 
Next carefully remove the snapring that holds the axle bearing in the differential.  The snaprings
are side specific. DO NOT MIX UP RIGHT AND LEFT
SNAPRINGS. Once both carier races are removed, you can remove the carrier and ring gear from
the case.
Challenger Rear-End Gear InstallChallenger Rear-End Gear Install

After these are removed you can pull out the ring and pinion gears.

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

Once the ring and pinion are out of the car you can now swap them out with the units from Richmond.
The instructions that come with the gear set states that you should simply install the
new gears in place of the original gears using the same rear pinion bearing and carrier snap rings.  We called and verified this with their tech line so we bolted everything back together. We put marking compund on the gears and ran a pattern.The tooth pattern was good so we continued with the re-assembly of the differential.

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

After the carrier was reassembled we bolted it back into the car and filled it back up with fluid.

Challenger Rear-End Gear Install

 

After everything is put back together, Its now time to program the computer to accept the new gear ratio.

You can do this with a handheld programmer such as the Diablo Sport Predator.  These tuners allow you to change the gear ratio and tire size so that the speedometer read correctly.  If you don't change these parameters in the computer it will sense something is different about the car and send it into a "Limp Mode" which will not allow the car to run like it should.

Installing a tune on the Challenger

 After tuning the car you can now follow the break-in procedures for your new gears by driving 200-300 miles under normal operating conditionis.  This will set the wear pattern on the gears.  Now comes the fun part, the accelleration and spirited driving test. Nothing, with the exception of power adder, gives you the seat of the pants difference than a gear swap.  It totally woke this car up.  It helped with the low end bog these cars have, but where it is most noticable is in the mid RPM accelleration.  With the stock wheels and tires, wheelspin is no problem in first gear as well as downshifting from second to first. This the the way the 2008 Challenger should have come from the factory. The fun factor has gone up as well as the ability show-off. Tire obliterating burnouts are easy and are tempting from every stop. This is by far the best modification we've done to this car.  Everyone that has driven it has gotten out grinning from ear to ear. 

 Again, this install should be done by a professional and perferably one with experience on cars with IRS. These gears will only work in a 2008 SRT-8 model with the 215mm rear. As far as we know, there is not an aftermarket manufacturer of gears for the 2009 Challengers yet.

Published Dec 08 2008, 01:28 PM by SCOTTY2THAG
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Comments

 

hubstang said:

WOW !! GREAT ARTICLE !! You guys at LRS are an AWESOME TEAM !! Keep up the good work. .. Scott..

December 14, 2008 11:00 PM
 

Mack Phillips said:

I have a `06 300C, do you know if I need any other parts other than the gears to install a set of 3.55 gears.

December 15, 2008 12:13 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Other than the tuner and gears your setup should be pretty much the same as the above.  The only thing you would need is would be replacement fluids and a diff seal, that is if no other items are damaged during dissasembly.

December 15, 2008 12:58 PM
 

Miles Nommensen said:

when you say 300c, to me that means 5.7L.

the 5.7L engines from 2008 and before, and many 2009 and later are not compatible with this ring and pinion set.

this set is a 215mm. for the SRT rear end, and many of the 2009+ option rear ends.

the 5.7L rear end from 2008 and earlier is 210mm.

there are currently no rear gear upgrades for the 5.7L,

hopefully by early 2009 richmond will have released the 210mm sets, i cant wait for some 3.23's for my charger

December 16, 2008 6:08 PM
 

philip abed said:

i just installed the 3.55 gears on my 2006 300c srt8 also.. need help on setting up the diablo predator. my car whent into limp mod eny help pleaseee  ..

December 16, 2008 10:44 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Philip

When you plug in the tuner you will select the tune you want to install then you will select "modify tune" once this is selected you then will choose "modify parameters" when you choose this you will have a list and you will scroll down to transmission. Once you select transmission you will be able to go in and change the rear axle ratio to the gears that you installed. once those settings are selected then you just install tune like normal.

December 17, 2008 9:49 AM
 

Coy Graham said:

I saw a 2009 SRT8 six speed at the dealer yesterday with 3.92 rear gears. Will these fit the 2009 SRT8 with the automatic trans? Do you know what size rear end is in the 2009 SRT8 with the automatic?

December 23, 2008 11:03 PM
 

Miles Nommensen said:

the new srt i believe is still a 215mm, but theres no way in hell i would run a 3.92 in a 5 speed auto, its WAY too big.

the first gear in the Nag1 5-speed auto tranny is made for torque, thats why they can still get away with a 3.06 factory gear in teh charger srt 5 speeds and pull hard.

a 3.92 is going to be far from streetable, and your first gear is only gonna be usable up to something stupid like 10 mph at best.

one thing people need to remember is that this transmission (5 spd) is not like a classic car transmission... 3.55 rear gear on this car equates to a 4.10 on the classic mopar rear end.

December 24, 2008 10:18 AM
 

Mystified@track said:

Which would be better for a modified SRT8 426 stroker which has tons of torque down low but the issue is putting it to the ground and launching at the track.  

So do you go with 3.55 or 3.23 gears.    

December 29, 2008 11:31 AM
 

JOE BONNEY said:

THE NEW CHALLENGER USES A GETRAG 226 REAR (3.91 RATIO

THE METTINGEN 215 IS USED BEHIND 5.7 AUTO

GETRAG 226 IN SRT8 AND 5.7 WITH MANUAL TRANS.

December 29, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Peanut said:

Will this work on the 2009 R/T with auto stick? Here is to hoping..

Anyone have any idea?

Help.

January 13, 2009 5:48 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Peanut

As long as it has the 215MM ring gear then they should work fine.

January 13, 2009 9:23 AM
 

paul said:

how did the pinion gear come out we are doing the swap and it looks like you press it through to the center of the case . is this correct?

January 17, 2009 2:12 PM
 

Chris said:

If the 727 was geared 2.45 in first and the autostick is 3.58 in first the 3.55 should take off like a 4.68 in the rear of an old school challenger right not a 4.10?  If I have the ratios right that's what I am coming up with.  I can't wait to get mine ordered and wake up my 2008.  Thanks guys!

March 28, 2009 9:47 PM
 

Jonathan A. said:

How did you adjust the back lash?  Any major problems you encountered?

April 1, 2009 11:43 AM
 

jmac said:

Jonathan A, basically there are no adjustments.  According to Richmond, if you install the gears & they don't set up properly, then you are relegated to stock gears.  However, I have not heard one instance where this has occured.  Because the rear in these cars is Mercedez (read German engineered) I doub't there will be any issues.  We all know the Gemans make good stuff!

April 17, 2009 7:49 AM
 

williams rt said:

I have a 2009 r/t 5.7 with 3.92 gears. From the post I am reading I would guess to say most of you have never had a car with a bigger gear. I took the 20 inch wheels off and put 18 inch on to make the factory gear even lower. As far as the other comments about 3.92 being way to large, and 3.55 gears acting like 4.10 gears? I can not even find what this 6 speed is for? at 110mph in 5th gear the engine still has not broken 3000 rpm. So yes if you are looking to go 160mph stick to the 3.55, if you want to go fast in normal driving conditons 0-80 put more gear in, i will go with a 4.56 when available myself. I would hate to drive one with 3.06 it must drive like a pig.

June 1, 2009 6:53 AM
 

williams rt said:

Don't forget guys these cars are not like the older cars in wheels ethier. A 1970 with a 440, 3.00 first gear 4 speed car with factory 4.10 gears could come with 14 inch or 15 inch tires and rims. With no 5 or 6 speeds. My factory 440 six pack superbee had 4.56 instead of 4.10 with 15 inch wheels and I could drive all day with no problems.Could I do 140mph? No but   I was not on the salt flats ethier.

June 1, 2009 6:59 AM
 

william Van Dusen said:

With finding your web sight NOW I am excited about purchasing ring and pinion and having it installed on my 06 magnum 6.1 srt-8  where can I order the 3:55's?? William

June 18, 2009 1:03 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

William, We sell the 3.55 gears here.  They are located on the web here.

www.latemodelrestoration.com/iwwida.pvx

June 18, 2009 8:36 AM
 

Glenn Fahs said:

Scott, I spoke to Richmond Gear today to get the scoop on a 3.55 for my 2009 Challenger SRT8 with the auto trans, they asked me if it had the 226 mm ring and I could not answer this question. If I understand the previous post from Joe Bonney the automatics get a 215mm and the sticks get the 226mm. Can you confirm or deny this for me because they do not make a 3.55 in a 226mm.

Thanks,

Glenn

June 25, 2009 7:35 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

The 2008 cars have the 215mm gears.  In 2009 the automatics could have either the 215mm OR the 226mm so it just depends on what your car came with.  The easiest way to tel is to crawl under the car and look at the differenctial.  If it has a G cast into the housing it is the 226mm Getrag.

June 26, 2009 8:55 AM
 

can2racing said:

so what do the e.t.s look like how much improvement was there on 60ft,1/8 & 1/4 mile time

June 29, 2009 9:00 PM
 

gene bell said:

Scotty, I have a 2008 Challenger, same as you did the 3.55 Ring gear set on. I want to do the same thing you did.  ALTHOUGH I put a SUPERCHARGER on my car and was told the car can not be reprogrammed for the new ratio. From reading your procedure of installing the Richmond 3.55 gears it sounds like i CAN DO IT.

Thank you for your posting!

gene

September 4, 2009 2:08 PM
 

gene bell said:

Scotty, What if I buy a 3.73 ratio differential assembly new from a 2009 Challenger?

I priced on for only $800.00.

I could still put in the tuner you recomend, but I wonder if it would fit?

Rember I installed a supercharger. Have a 2008 Challenger 6.1 Hemi ATM.

You are the only one on the planet  that I would even ask this question.

gene  

September 4, 2009 2:46 PM
 

gene bell said:

SCOTTY,. I was told the part # for the 3.73 ratio differential is 4593854AD.

This is the one I will attempt to install.  Just running it by you?

Gene

September 4, 2009 4:01 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Gene as long as the 3.73 unit isn't for the 09 Getrag rearend and is for the 215mm ring gear it should work.  I haven't looked into that very much so I could be wrong. As far as not being able to program for the new gears....I'm not sure why you were told that.  The handheld programmer recalibrated our car for the 3.55's without any problems.

September 8, 2009 9:11 AM
 

gene bell said:

Scotty, Thanks!  And yes the diff I purchased is a Getrag 3.73 for a 2009.

I have it here and it has "GETRAG" cast into case.

Gene

September 10, 2009 11:56 AM
 

gene bell said:

Scotty,  Here is the 2009 Getrag I just purchased. 3.73 Ratio.  As you see it is completly different from the one you had, and I do not see how it could possibly work. My diff is exactly the same as the one in your pic.

I am trying to find out of there is a Mettinger diff 215 MM ring gear used in 2009 Challenger?  Because part# 5038237AD is $2000.00 & the Getrag I purchased was only $800.00.  

I have a call in to Chry. tech and waiting to hear.  I am almost ready to order the richmond gears, but the "no shims"  worries me.

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September 11, 2009 12:24 PM
 

gene bell said:

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September 11, 2009 1:09 PM
 

Gene Bell said:

September 11, 2009 2:09 PM
 

Bill G said:

As i have been reading looks like the new rear end on the 09 challengers which is bigger then the old 08 challengers 215 mm, the  3.55 kit works on 08's only ?

 the 226 mm has no ring and pinon other the a full third member from the factory like 3.73 that Gene got!

am i on the right track with this?

I have a 09 R/T that i would love new gears on 4.56 would be awsome but not a good every day driver so a 3.73 sounds like a great deal kinda plug and play !

Bill G.

September 13, 2009 12:04 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Correct, there are not many gear choices for the Getrag rear. The only options I've found so far are the replacemet third members like gene bought.

September 14, 2009 9:34 AM
 

Bill G said:

Thanks for the info ..

By the way Awesome job on the Mod Well done pics are great well put togather.

September 14, 2009 9:54 AM
 

Gene Bell said:

Well the getrag diff. I got won't work, so I'm not supprised, scotty was right.

Well now I am not getting the Richmond gears.  I am getting a new converter  mopar # P5153726.  To launch better of the line and inprove that nagging low end bog.

I tried to convince the owner of the car thar the Richmond 3.55 gears is the way to go.   But a tech. told him to get a converter instead because the gears are not low enough and it can't be be installed with out shims.  So the axle ratio change is ovwer.  We are now ordering a converter.  Just running it past you guys since you all have been a lot of help and I appreicate it greatly!

Gene

September 17, 2009 9:37 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

A converter will help out. But the gears did make a difference in our car.  I could notice a difference in the acceleration from stock.  I understand the concern about the "no shims needed" claim from richmond cause every gear changes I've been involved with required them.  The 3.55's we installed in this car did not need any different shimming.  We measured and re-measured everything multiple times and it was the same tolerances as the factory units.  So you really don't need shims for this installation just as the manufacturer states in the instructions.  Now it would really wake the car up to do both gears and a converter.......but, one mod at a time I suppose.

September 17, 2009 10:27 AM
 

Jaydub said:

Scott,I believe I have the 215mm mettingen rear end under my 09 Challenger R/T. I tried to verify it at the dodge garage but they only work off vin#s for parts and could not give me an answer. My rear housing looks like the one in your tech swap photo--except mine has a 3 bolt flange on the pinion instead of the 4 bolt flange on the axle in your photo. Any suggestions on a positive I.D.

October 9, 2009 10:57 PM
 

Jaydub said:

Is the reason I have a 3 bolt pinion flange cause it's a 210mm rear end?

October 13, 2009 1:18 PM
 

Gene Bell said:

This is a pic of 3.73 getrag 2009 2010, has a getrag ID tag on it

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side cover bolts and 3 bolt flange

October 13, 2009 7:31 PM
 

Jaydub said:

Hey Gene--I saw your photo--my housing doesn't look like the Gettrag and even though the Gettrag has a three bolt flange--mine is more like the shape of the one in the tech swap only three bolt. I wonder if the measurement/spacing of the two different 3 bolt flanges are the same? Anyway thanks for responding Gene

October 14, 2009 8:25 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Sorry for the Delayed response.  It is possible that Dodge started using some of the 2009 parts on the late 2008 cars i.e. 3 bolt flange on the earlier differential.  I haven't been able to confirm this but have seen it done many times before on Ford Chevy and Dodge  vehicles.  If I'm able to find verification of this I'll be sure to let you know what I find.

October 15, 2009 9:47 AM
 

Bobby Avis said:

Scott can't wait to get a set of the 355's, was wondering how the stock axles hold with the new gears. Any issues with the breaking ?

October 20, 2009 6:21 PM
 

Gene Bell said:

We did not use the torq. converter, and we are goiny to put in the 3.55 gears.

Thanks to Scotty's instruuctions. Ill send some pics when we start.

December 9, 2009 12:10 PM
 

Bob Sturgis said:

Is there any size difference with the standard axles compared to the SRT ones? Do you have to change them along with the carrier ?

December 15, 2009 6:31 AM
 

TonyV said:

When you swapped out the R & P was there any parts you had to replace? Pinion Nut and crush washer, if so what are the part #'s. I have a set of 3.55 gears waiting to go in a 215mm rear but I'm not sure about any other parts I might need. If there is any help you could provide me I would be grateful.

January 20, 2010 12:04 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

To my knowledge the only thing used were the new ring and pinion set.  The mechanic that installed them did not specify nor did we get the bill for any additional parts.

January 21, 2010 9:41 AM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Bob:

the only thing we changed were the ring and pinion that bolted to the differential carrier.  If your RT has the 215 MM rear end, all you should have to do is change out the gears.

January 21, 2010 9:43 AM
 

TonyV said:

Could you check with the mechanic, I can't see him reusing the crush sleeve or the nut.

January 21, 2010 12:21 PM
 

mike said:

what is the going price for 3.23 richmomd gears with the quaife differental for 2009 charger rt with a 215 mm rear end

May 1, 2010 2:26 AM
 

phil f said:

can a chrysler dealer change the speedo reading with there computer or do you still need the diablo tuner? thanks great article ....

May 2, 2010 2:08 PM
 

SCOTTY2THAG said:

Mike: I'm not sure what the going rate is for the parts you listed, best bet would be to check around on some of the challenger specific forums and see what they are going for.

Phil: I'm sure that the dealership can make changes to the computer but doubt very seriously that they would make any performance upgrades to it.  That's the benefit of the handheld tuner. It makes the necessary changes plus optimizes the performance of your car over the factory tune.  Not to mention if the dealer changes computer parameters, the bill would be a significant chunk of the price of a tuner. There are just too many benefits to the handheld tuners to not get one.

May 3, 2010 9:31 AM
 

Gary Feece said:

Help,  I have an 09 R/T Challenger and have upgraded the 5.7 to 430 HP. top speed in somewhere on the other side of 165. I ran out of safe highway. I want a set of 3.92 or close gears for the car. I have 10 inch wheels and rubber now but need the gears badly. With the weight to HP ratio, gears are the great equalizer to trash the henrys and bankrupt bandits called camaros. Got some help, PLEASE. This is my come home from Iraq baby and its dying for this upgrade.

May 4, 2010 10:45 PM
 

Amr said:

Scotty, when you did the install was there a spacer that goes between the pinion bearing and the pinion itself?

May 5, 2010 7:17 AM

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My dad always worked on Airplanes and cars while I grew up and I was right there perched under the hood throughout my childhood so naturally being a car nut is engrained into who I am. I have a tendency to take on projects normal people would not attempt like swapping motors into cars they werent intended to go in or fabricating parts I need instead of buying them. It is a sickness and luckily for me there is no cure.